Heads Up Jeff Gordon Fans!

[Karz]

Heads Up Jeff Gordon Fans!

This is a great deal as Gordon stuff signed usually brings $75+ and your not sure it's real!!
I have one of these coming so I'm passing on this deal!

I just bought my Signed Logano Raced Win from this person.
I'm told by Brandon Mysinger Senior NASCAR Authenticator that this Guy has REAL stuff.

I offered this Guy $50 shipped for my Logano and He went for it.
It was the same price as this car $49.95 + $10 shipping.
Worth a try if your really interested!

(Link below)



2008 JEFF GORDON #24 DUPONT SIGNED AUTOGRAPHED 1/24 CAR - eBay (item 360218816758 end time Feb-16-10 17:00:05 PST)


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[ronmcc]

Thanks for the heads up.

[Karz]

Not a problem Ron!
Like to see someone get a deal.
Esp since I have verification the guy isn't selling fakes.
MANY are so you hafta be extra careful!!
Jeff Gordon's sig is one of the most counterfeited out there.

[JPM42]

I just don't understand how you can look at a sig and say it's real and authenicate it. Yeah it may look real but looks can be deciving. Anyone who is good enough can fake any auto peroid just ask Upperdeck. They put out a 1 of 1 cut sig card with Babe Ruth and a few others the the Ruth was fake. How did that happen? Easy an artist just looked at Ruth's signed and copied it. Same could happen in any sport.

[Karz]

Originally Posted by JPM42

I just don't understand how you can look at a sig and say it's real and authenicate it. Yeah it may look real but looks can be deciving. Anyone who is good enough can fake any auto peroid just ask Upperdeck. They put out a 1 of 1 cut sig card with Babe Ruth and a few others the the Ruth was fake. How did that happen? Easy an artist just looked at Ruth's signed and copied it. Same could happen in any sport.

Be interesting to see what Brandon has to say about this.
He is THE expert on this sorta thing deals with it everyday!
I have directed this posted concern to Him.

[NEW2]

Originally Posted by JPM42

I just don't understand how you can look at a sig and say it's real and authenicate it. Yeah it may look real but looks can be deciving. Anyone who is good enough can fake any auto peroid just ask Upperdeck. They put out a 1 of 1 cut sig card with Babe Ruth and a few others the the Ruth was fake. How did that happen? Easy an artist just looked at Ruth's signed and copied it. Same could happen in any sport.

AMEN to that!! I don't buy into ANY of this gai/esp/ppi/bs/hongkongphoey authenticator crap...what training is involved? what premis do they work under? How do they separate fraud from authentic? As mentioned, I've seen some DAMN wicked artistic people who can take a whip and a whirl and replicate a signature effortlessly..infact there was an article LOOONG ago where if I recall properly, Carl Edwards who has a nice sig himself said he had done so many events with Kurt Busch, that he could perfectly replicate Kurt's sig...now whoopty do, it's still Carl Edwards...but minus a few truck races, well Carl is just as likely to be David Gilligan..a nobody...with a shit ride...

ya'll can do what you want with your money...if I didn't personally get it done, didn't buy it factory ship/trailor that way, or don't know the person who secured it for me personally...it isn't worth the pen they probably forged it with...even 'photos' of the signing really don't mean crap...are you sure it's the same car they 'really' had signed or like most of these assholes who fleabay the heck out of people, they got ONE, then sucked up a ton of stock, and got to work 'customizing' autographed pieces...I have to laugh when some of these fleabayers have their OWN certification issued by their store...pretty much the same gig here...that's where the holograms were supposed to step in...but again..if I didn't see it or cannot account for it, I consider it a fake...I might be wrong on some...but I'll NEVER be fooled...

[JPM42]

Originally Posted by NEW2

AMEN to that!! I don't buy into ANY of this gai/esp/ppi/bs/hongkongphoey authenticator crap...what training is involved? what premis do they work under? How do they separate fraud from authentic? As mentioned, I've seen some DAMN wicked artistic people who can take a whip and a whirl and replicate a signature effortlessly..infact there was an article LOOONG ago where if I recall properly, Carl Edwards who has a nice sig himself said he had done so many events with Kurt Busch, that he could perfectly replicate Kurt's sig...now whoopty do, it's still Carl Edwards...but minus a few truck races, well Carl is just as likely to be David Gilligan..a nobody...with a shit ride... ya'll can do what you want with your money...if I didn't personally get it done, didn't buy it factory ship/trailor that way, or don't know the person who secured it for me personally...it isn't worth the pen they probably forged it with...even 'photos' of the signing really don't mean crap...are you sure it's the same car they 'really' had signed or like most of these assholes who fleabay the heck out of people, they got ONE, then sucked up a ton of stock, and got to work 'customizing' autographed pieces...I have to laugh when some of these fleabayers have their OWN certification issued by their store...pretty much the same gig here...that's where the holograms were supposed to step in...but again..if I didn't see it or cannot account for it, I consider it a fake...I might be wrong on some...but I'll NEVER be fooled...

Agreed 100%

[Karz]

WOW such harsh words......
I'm sorry I even posted this now!
My intentions were of good intent to fellow Gordon Fans.
I didn't see this coming!! SORRY

[JPM42]

What are you talking about? Neither mine nor New2's post was directed toward you. We just stated our opinions about authenicating sigs.

[Checker Flag Zone]

Originally Posted by JPM42

I just don't understand how you can look at a sig and say it's real and authenicate it. Yeah it may look real but looks can be deciving. Anyone who is good enough can fake any auto peroid just ask Upperdeck. They put out a 1 of 1 cut sig card with Babe Ruth and a few others the the Ruth was fake. How did that happen? Easy an artist just looked at Ruth's signed and copied it. Same could happen in any sport.

I think its important to understand a third party autograph authenticator is simply just providing a professional opinion based on their training and experience as to the pieces authenticity. I've dealt with alot of Autograph Authenticators over the years, and can tell you Brandon is by far the best out there as it relates to identifying legitimate NASCAR autographs and fraudulant ones. Brandon is very connected in the NASCAR network, Ebay, and GAI. Its actually not uncommon for him to be contacted by Representatives of the Teams when they need assistance in dealing with autograph fraud they've been advised of, so trust me when I tell you all...He is an Expert and possesses a special talent!

I've been doing this long enough to realize there will always be some people out there who will always be skeptical when purchasing autographs no matter what is done. Then there are those that believe, they will only buy from QVC, RCCA, or direct distribution from the teams. What alot of people do not realize, is the drivers and teams understand this is a business and the reality of it is in some cases the same cars being signed by the drivers for QVC, RCCA, or the teams themselves, also include cars for other outlets. There are many outlets available for a fan to obtain an autograph, a good collector will always do his homework and ask the right questions to determine the authenticity of an autograph. The Third Party Authentication is just a single element of what should entail many other safeguards to ensure authenticity.

Hopefully this provides a better understanding for JPM42